Dr. Kipp Davis with How (not) to read the Dead Sea Scrolls: Reviewing Richard Carrier’s “On the Historicity of Jesus”, Part 2
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Here is the second video of Davis’ critique of Richard Carrier’s reading of ancient Jewish texts in On The Historicity of Jesus. Davis does not feel Carrier offers a reliable reading of early Judaism.
One commenter added a problem with Carrier’s methodology that:
Carrier and Davis exchange:
Vishanti and Kipp Davis react to Carrier’s comments on stream:
SOME REACTIONS to the exchange:
Kipp Davis says:
- @RichardCCarrier has a bafflingly rudimentary grasp of the primary texts, but also the ongoing conversations about them taking place within the discipline.
Simone, Listening for the Voice in the Silence says
- on re-watch while I have lunch, the disconnect between “cite the texts” and “I mentioned these scholars” is the most excruciating thing entirely relying on a narrow selection of secondary scholarship with no substantial treatment is…. wild, honestly
CARRIER RESPONDS HERE
Carrier accuses Davis of “Emotional Incompetence” on Facebook:
Davis responds that Carrier does not have the professional background to investigate the question (eg., he’s not fluent in Hebrew or Aramaic, does not have the requisite educational background in early judaism, etc.), and produces nothing more than rudimentary analysis of early Judaism: see time 1:55:25 ff of the video below (there are some brief technical video issues, but they get resolved quickly):
Kipp makes the important point that while mythicists make the argument that Jesus’ biography was invented by imitating Hebrew Scriptures (or the Septuagint) and Greek poetry, this is not evidence of the non-existence of Jesus because around the same time the Dead Sea Scrolls community was doing the same thing to learn about their “Teacher of Righteousness,” who most certainly existed.
Dr. Kipp Davis’ final video critiquing Carrier:
Check out time 36:00 to 40:44 above for a bit of a chuckle:
This can be concluded with Ehrman countering mythicists like Carrier that it is a scholarly fringe position that Jews in Jesus’ time thought the Messiah was supposed to suffer and die: